Call to Action - PLEASE DO NOT Support this DHF Proposal
I rarely make posts asking anyone who might care to take action but this is serious and I need as many people on Hive as possible to be aware of this situation. Please do me a favor and reblog this.
There is a really, really horrible proposal for DHF funding. It's not a lot but the DHF proposal funds are meant to add quality to the Hive blockchain. Not every proposal gets funded but it would be a tragedy if a single HBD that could go to a project that would have added quality to the Hive blockchain went instead to a project that lacks transparency and works to enrich the pockets of the one making the proposal.
The proposal I am referring to is by @lasseehlers. He claims that he can onboard new users onto the Hive blockchain. Normally that might be a good thing but the way this proposal is set up seems more like a scam if not simply a poorly thought out plan.
@lasseehlers claims it costs 16 HBD to onboard each new user. He won't disclose why or how it costs 16 HBD for each new onboarded user. @lasseehlers also claims in his proposal that he deserves to be compensated 4 HBD for each new user he onboards.
That makes it 20 HBD total @lasseehlers claims he needs to onboard each new Hive member. Why that much? How will he do it? We're just supposed to trust that it costs that amount. Will each new user be worth 16 HBD if they are a low quality user that plagiarizes or just posts once and then becomes inactive? @lasseehlers claims that doesn't matter. @lasseehlers' proposal is only about quantity and any possible quality added to Hive be damned.
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There will be no refunds for low quality users that just post once and then go inactive.
There will be no refunds for low quality users that post 100% AI generated content.
There will be no refunds for low quality users that plagiarize content from websites.
There will be no refunds for low quality users that shitpost until they have negative reputation scores.
And so on but in each of those failures according to @lasseehlers' own proposal he gets to pocket 4 HBD for each onboard. Whether success or failure @lasseehlers gets 4 HBD each time so there is no incentive for @lasseehlers to only bring users that will post original content and remain long term.
I used a certain analogy in a reply to @lasseehlers already so please excuse me plagiarizing myself here but I think this analogy helps to demonstrate how wrong the proposal's emphasis on quantity rather than quality is: @lasseehlers bragging about onboarding users on to Hive is like @lasseehlers bragging to his boss at McDonalds that he has exceeded his hamburger quota as customers are curled up on the floor vomiting. After @lasseehlers is told that he is fired he rants about how he was the only one smart enough to figure out that shitting on the kitchen floor and not washing his hands saves massive amounts of time and makes him more productive then the other employees "wasting time in the restroom during their breaks".
How do we know if each new user is a "real" user? @lasseehlers claimed earlier today to have onboarded "professional blogger" @majidhussain007. The problem with that is, as of this writing, @majidhussain007 has only made one post which was shilling for @lasseehlers' own token LasseCash and that post turned out to have been AI generated.
Personally based on my own abductive reasoning I believe it is more likely than not that @lasseehlers created the @majidhussain007 account as a sockpuppet to boost the number of onboarded users he could claim. Maybe some or all of the other onboarded users are sockpuppet accounts. I suspect that is the case but I can't definatively prove it.
Even If I am wrong the @majidhussain007 onboarding should cause a blow to @lasseehlers' credibility. @lasseehlers is the only one who knows for sure who controls the @majidhussain007 account since he claims to have onboarded @majidhussain007. When there is no incentive to verify the quality of new "real" users and @lasseehlers gets 4 HBD for each new onboarded @majidhussain007 under his proposal then how many more @majidhussain007 will there be wasting the HBD @lasseehlers wants for his DHF proposal?
@lasseehlers currently has a reputation score of -12 on Hive. His proposal post is hidden and has to be manually clicked on to view. Can we trust that @lasseehlers won't abuse the system he proposes to get DHF funding for? What recourse would anyone have if @lasseehlers just started creating fake accounts and pocketing 20 HBD for each new fake account he created on Hive?
How would we even know for certain whether or not that was happening?
Fundamentally this gets down to why I think @lasseehlers' proposal is so horrible. It would set a terrible precedent. The DHF proposal system should be for adding quality to the Hive blockchain and have results that can be more objectively judged. @lasseehlers' proposal isn't that. It lacks transparency and insists on nothing more than trust. So what's to stop me from making a DHF proposal for 20,000 HBD so I could start onboarding members? My reputation score on Hive is currently above 71. If I made such a proposal post it wouldn't be hidden. Does that entitle me to your trust? It shouldn't and I'd hope you wouldn't just take my word that I was onboarding new users by the truckload.
Please, DO NOT give any support to @lasseehlers's most recent DHF proposal the way it is currently structured. It has too many flaws and red flags.
Thank you for bringing this scandalous activity of @lasseehlers and his questionable posse that includes sidekick @majidhussain007 to our attention!
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Please help me to spread the word so that more users will understand exactly what is being proposed by @lasseehlers. If he can get away with this then others might try to do the same thing or something similar. I am sure this is not the kind of proposal DHF was intended for. Thanks.
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nice investigating.
There are good ways to get people onboarded, and this is not one of them. If we want anyone, it's interested/ interesting people who will be of some benefit to the community.
I don't consider myself, or my own content neccessary or overly valuable, but I take Hive seriously and really enjoy it. I wouldn't like to see a bunch of new users posting once, shit posting, or just plagarising and publishing AI content.
I went and looked at the proposal and the five people he got on here, and looked at their posts and all I could wonder was, "Why didn't he get any of them to write introduction posts so they could let the community know who they are and what they're interested in."Even if they are real, clearly he's the wrong person to onboard new users. Not one of them even posted into a community.
That is a really great point. Also thank you because it reminded me of something that I thought was a little strange about one of @lasseehlers' replies.
https://peakd.com/@lasseehlers/rzwb8y
What does @lasseehlers mean by he will "...check for AI content and that will be rejected. They have to deliver a real post (No plagiarizing or AI)."?
@lasseehlers claims in his proposal:
@lasseehlers won't give any details about how he plans to onboard "real people" on to Hive or why it costs $16 per "new user". I've asked and he outright refuses to give details about that.
From his reply I cited it seems like maybe he is finding random people and paying them $16 each to create a Hive account. A stipulation of being paid $16 might be that before they make a post for their new account they have to send it to @lasseehlers for his review and approval. His review and approval before the "new user" posts might be how he justifies the 4 HBD in compensation for each "new user" onboarded.
That might actually explain a few things. As you noted all those accounts @lasseehlers claims to have onboarded didn't post an introduction. Rather those accounts posted about LasseCash. Maybe another stipulation for the $16 is that the "new user" has to post about LasseCash before getting the $16 for creating a new Hive account.
Is that what @lasseehlers' proposal is boiled down? @lasseehlers wants the DHF ti give him 1000 HBD so he can pay 50 random people to create an account and each one makes at least one post about his token and then the "new user" can either continue using their account or piss off, @lasseehlers doesn't give a damn because the deal to create a new Hive account and post about LasseCash for "onboarding" is complete.
I hope that's not what he plans to do. Some people assume cryptocurrency is a scam and if @lasseehlers goes around paying random people to create an account and post about his token then of course that's going to look like Hive is a scam.
Actually yeah, so essentially he'll get some randomers on Hive, proofread their drivel, check for AI or plagiarism, and ensure that they only post about LasseCash and leave. I think it would be more beneficial for LasseCash, if he got some people who were actually interested in sticking around, and then get them involved properly here, and then get them involved in LasseCash of their own free will at a later stage.
Absolutely. The last thing Hive needs is a bad reputation. Hive as a whole does need new people, especially ones who can become solid members of the community. We don't need dead accounts, or people forced to come here for 16 HBD.
It's a good shout that you pointed this out, it's a terrible idea when looking at the ramifications of this sort of behavior. Based solely off his rep, I doubt he'll get the proposal funded, but it's good to spread the word when something like this is spotted.
By the look of it all, I doubt they're real people - but if they are I wonder where he's finding them haha - in all seriousness, I'd say it's all him and he is just going to pocket the 20 HBD for the hassle of signing up and writing a post.
People shouldn't be paid to join anyway, the payment should be in making the account and getting involved properly; just by being a normal person here, you can earn more than twenty HBD.
Of course since @lasseehlers refuses to give any details about how he plans to "onboard" new users all we can do is speculate and hypothesize. If he doesn't want us doing that he can give us simething more definative than what was in his proposal draft post and canon proposal post.
I am skeptical of the full hypothesis I made. Maybe he might find some new Hive users by paying them but I would expect more than half of the "new users" he would "onboard" would be sockpuppet accounts he himself would create. His proposal's budget is stated to be 20 HBD per "new user", 16 HBD to onboard and 4 HBD for his own compensation. If he onboards a "real user" he only gets 4 HBD for that new user. If he creates a sockpuppet account to "onboard" he gets the full 20 HBD. I would also suppose that "16 per new user" is more like the upper amount that he would be willing to pay. He might try to find new users to create an account that will just take something like $8 or $10 to create an account and then he would pocket the difference giving him more than $4 "compensation" for that onboarded user. If he was clever rather than pocketing the difference he could just roll the difference into his scheme and that would allow him to claim, "See? I asked for 1000 HBD to onboard 50 new 'professional bloggers' at 20 HBD each but I got 56 new onboarded users which is more than 50." Thus my McDonalds analogy in my post. Generally the lower you can pay someone the less effort that person will be willing to put into the task they are being paid for.
I am also highly skeptical of @lasseehlers' claim about not knowing that a post about LasseCash could be generated by AI by giving AI details about LasseCash. @lasseehlers vastly overestimates his intelligence but he is not stupid. @lasseehlers is being honest when he states that he checked ChatGPT months ago to see what it had to say about his token. I remember seeing him mention that in one of his video posts at the time and he felt insulted that ChatGPT didn't know about LasseCash.
@lasseehlers is far from tactful when it comes to self-promotion. His preference of promoting LasseCash is sheer brute force. I don't recall the exact words from his video but @lasseehlers said he would "get them" (OpenAI I assume) to know about LasseCash. If he pursued that and tried to find out how to get ChatGPT to "know" about LasseCash then sooner or later @lasseehlers would have found out about prompt engineering. That is why I find his claim of not knowing so dubious.
I could be wrong of course. Maybe @lasseehlers actually paid whoever @majidhussain007 is $16 for a blog post about LasseCash and @majidhussain007 was able to pass off AI generated text as something from a "professional blogger".
If you can get plutonium from Libyan terrorists by giving them an empty bomb casing full of old pinball machine parts then any kind of trade is possible I guess.
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Thanks to you getting my brain speculating more I just realized something else strange:
Why isn't @lasseehlers using the @lassecash account for the proposal?
@lasseehlers has so far made two DHF proposals. His first proposal for 60,000 HBD so he could buy his own LasseCash token to artificially pump the price of LasseCash something something FOMOing duped people would need to create a Hive account "promoting" Hive failed so now this 1000 HBD proposal to "onboard" new users by paying them to post about LasseCash something something "promoting" Hive.
In both of @lasseehlers' proposals the proposal posts are hidden due to his low reputation score and in both proposals it is the @lasseehlers account that would receive the HBD from the Decentralized Hive Fund.
For both proposals he claims that he can use LasseCash to "promote Hive". So why is his private account rather than the LasseCash community account being used? If I were to make a proposal for MemeHive or Hive Images I would be using @memehive or @hivephoto respectively. I wouldn't be using my @holovision account for a proposal to benefit one of my communities.
@lassecash doesn't have a low reputation score so a proposal post by @lassecash wouldn't be hidden. Sending HBD from DHF to @lassecash wouldn't comingle community funds with his private account.
But @lasseehlers hasn't been active with @lassecash since August of 2021.
Maybe @lasseehlers losing the keys to @lassecash might be a possible explanation but then he would have just made a new alternate account and have made a post about losing the keys. He also doesn't seem to have been very active on @lassecash between when the account was created in 2019 and August 2021.
Seems weird.
Thank God! Also thank you everyone who didn't support this horrible proposal.